It’s time for #36! We are thrilled to welcome Charles Edward Payne to today’s episode where we dive into the topic of race to explore how we move forward in supporting the Black Lives Matter movement and creating real, long-term change.
Charles is a Certificate Educator and Advocate, and has a Masters of Education in Counseling. He is also a certified teacher, a TEDx speaker, a fellow mental health warrior as well as being a very talented poetry performer. You can find his incredible first publication here and his TedX talk at the bottom of this article!
As two white people running a podcast, we were very conscious that it is our own personal responsibility to educate ourselves on the topic of race, and although that’s very much our mission, when Charles reached out to us to suggest we record this episode together we jumped at the chance and are so grateful for the opportunity to speak with him.
In the episode we will discuss topics such as…
The importance of dialogue happening within the white community.
The importance of longevity, joy and support systems.
Why the changes we see need to be rooted in the mind, body AND soul.
How data can be triggering for the BIPOC community and why it’s so important to look past the numbers.
Navigating interracial relationships.
Let’s get to work!
TOOLS
Our tools section is curated by Charles this week. We encourage you to dig deep and explore multiple platforms to find what really resonates with you.
Reference articles/essays:
Message to White Allies from A Black Anti-Racism Expert: You’re Doing It Wrong
This article provides a great overview for beginners and beyond, providing links to external resources.
Tim Wise is an author and leading white writer/leader on history, race, and antiracism.
This is an example of how education on racism can exist in story form rather than a traditional educational or article format.
Instagram profiles to follow:
From Privilege to Progress: A resource for news and educational tools.
United Street Tours: A resource from a Black female voice, touching on contemporary news, educational tools, and history.
Center for Antiracist Research: A resource specific to the latest in tools and news on antiracist movement and thought.
Fund for Reparations NOW: While advocating for a specific goal in reparations, this account provides educational resources and news.
Ibram X. Kendi: Ibram X. Kendi is a leading thinker, author, professor and historian on antiracism.
Well-Read Black Girl: A resource for advocacy, education, and news, but also for finding new books that explore diverse stories and perspectives.
Web resources:
Books:
White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard For White People To Talk About Racism By Robin Diangelo: At only 150 pages, this is an important starting point for white people to begin learning about racism and antiracism.
How To Be An Antiracist by Ibram X Kendi: The second step after White Fragility. A thorough overview of the latest in antiracist thought and overview of it’s history.
Between The World And Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates: A fairly short and quick read, following a personal story that approaches modern racism through the genre of memoir.
The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin: A short and accessible read from a legendary author that provides historical context and continued modern applications.
Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari: This is a long and thorough read. It does not deal with racism or antiracism exclusively, but the historical perspective it offers about the human race becomes critically influential to understanding the idea and conception of racism and race.
This is the work that Charles mentioned at the end of the episode!
